In my opinion it is a bit too cheap to have such high damage reward, however it is definitely very fun to play. Honestly speaking, while nerfs are necessary it should definitely be kept as a pretty good cheap option for most warriors looking to use the 2H (two-handed) weaponry!
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Look, I keep seeing this Spider Nest Mace and Hornet Crusader set being called “the meta,” and I have to say, I think we need to be very careful with that word. Meta. It’s a big word. People throw it around because it sounds important. “Oh, this is meta now.” Suddenly everybody is an expert. Everybody has discovered the secret. Incredible discovery, apparently.
But is it actually meta? I’m not so sure.
The Spider Nest Mace is good. Nobody is denying that. It does damage. That is generally considered useful in a video game. And the Hornet Crusader set gives you some nice benefits, which is also very nice. Congratulations to the set. But somehow we’ve gone from “this is a reasonably efficient setup” to “THE META HAS BEEN DISCOVERED,” and I think that’s a little dramatic.
Because if the standard for “meta” is simply cheap + functional + surprisingly strong, then congratulations, we have about seventeen metas now. Every budget build that performs decently for its price becomes the meta. Every weapon somebody finds in their inventory and realizes isn’t completely terrible becomes the meta. At that point, the word means absolutely nothing.
And I especially don’t buy the idea that everyone should suddenly abandon their other builds because someone found a Spider Nest Mace and a Hornet Crusader set and had a good afternoon.
Is it efficient? Sure.
Is it annoying to fight? Probably.
Is it a good option for people who don’t want to spend enormous amounts of money putting together some supposedly “optimal” Warrior setup? Absolutely.
But meta? That’s where I think we’re getting carried away.
If anything, this looks more like a strong budget alternative that people are currently overreacting to because it’s accessible. That’s an important distinction. A genuinely dominant meta build should be something that consistently pushes other viable choices out of the conversation. If players can still run other weapons, other sets, and other playstyles without feeling like they’ve made some catastrophic strategic error, then I don’t think we’ve witnessed the fall of civilization quite yet.
And please, let’s not nerf something into the ground just because people are discovering that inexpensive gear can be effective. That’s actually a good thing. Not every Warrior needs to mortgage their entire online presence to compete.
So yes, adjust it if the numbers genuinely justify an adjustment. Fine. Nobody is above balance changes, especially not Warriors with just a little over five thousand Tribute wins. But let’s stop pretending that the Spider Nest Mace + Hornet Crusader combination has suddenly become the undisputed ruler of the game.
It hasn’t.
It’s a good setup. It’s efficient. It’s popular right now. People are having fun with it.
Those are not automatically the same thing as “this is the meta.”
And frankly, if calling every mildly efficient build “meta” is where we’re headed, then I look forward to the next revolutionary discovery: someone equips reasonably decent gear and performs reasonably decently.
The community will be stunned.
Absolutely unprecedented.
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hornet crusader knight outdamages zerks that have 6p+ builds, and is on par with the best ankh sorcerers for under 1p. it is definitely overpowered, sustaining 60k WITHOUT the spider mace perk, easily reaching over 100k on many bosses
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Look pal I understand that you’re invested in the game and you think that entitles you to advise us, but my guess is that you have very little understanding of, at the very least, the complexity of programming, and consequently the complexity of game development. With no intent to belittle you, I really don’t feel like being told what to do by a completely unskilled non-participant. Your emotional attachment to the product is not a motivation for any of us. You can call us lazy or any other synonyms for it when the reality is that working on Vesteria meaningfully is just straight-up difficult. I recently had to put the nicks on several suggested balancing changes merely because the Vesteria engine does not support the requested mechanics, and implementing said changes to the engine would be literal weeks of engineering time – engineering time that is barely paying above minimum wage. You do not understand the scope of the problems. You think you do, but you don’t. You are frustrated because you have to take our word for it and you don’t trust us because you have already decided in your head that we’re just lazy. We aren’t. It is seriously just that bad. I understand that someone as ignorant (and I don’t say that cruelly) as you can have difficulty grasping that, but it’s the truth. Now, with all due respect, step the f off.