As you may have guessed from the title, this topic is my opinion on the current state of Vesteria’s meta in terms of upgrading/enchanting equipment. I know off the bat that a lot of people will disagree with my opinion, but that’s fine. Hopefully I can change some people’s minds about it, and if I can’t, that’s fine as well.
So, let’s talk about upgrading equipment. There is currently one way and one way only to upgrade your equipment, and that’s through Scrolls. For those who don’t know, there are 4 main upgrade-based scrolls in the game. These are:
- 100% Scrolls (Basic Scrolls) (Weapon, Armour and Headgear)
- 70% Scrolls (Great Scrolls) (Weapon)
- 10% Scrolls (Ancient Scrolls) (Weapon with added STR, VIT, DEX or INT bonus)
- 60% Scrolls (Cursed Scrolls) (Weapon and Armour)
The majority of these scrolls work the same way, you apply them to your equipment and they either work and apply bonus attack or defence depending on the equipment item you’re upgrading. The less risky a scroll is to apply, the less it gives. With one exception. The Cursed Scroll has a 60% chance of working, but also has a 20% chance of completely destroying your weapon and the Scroll. The other 20% comes from when the Scroll fails, but doesn’t destroy your weapon. Cursed Scrolls can add a random amount of Weapon Attack or Defence (depending on which Cursed Scroll you’re using) and may also add a random stat bonus. Furthermore, Cursed Scrolls are also the rarest type of Scroll in the game.
Moving on, allow me to briefly touch on how colour ranking works for equipment pieces. I wont go too in-depth here, but all you have to know is basically that the order from best to worst upgraded weapon tiers are White, then Blue, then Purple, then Red, then Yellow/Gold, and finally Green. There’s been reports of other tiers existing past Green (such as Orange), but so far I haven’t seen any convincing proof that those higher tiers exist.
So that’s the basic rundown of Scrolls. Let’s get into why I personally believe that having them as the only possible way to receive good upgrades for equipment is not fun, and ends up making the game even more “grindy” then it already is.
Let’s begin by talking about what it takes to have “good” equipment. For the majority of players who play casually, you’ll most likely never go beyond a high-purple/low red-tier equipment piece, and that’s if you use a combination of Great Scrolls, Cursed Scrolls and/or Ancient Scrolls. Overall, while it is difficult to reach, it’s certainly possible.
At that point, the average player may be wondering how to move up to gold-tier equipment. Unfortunately, this is where the problems begin. The average player may have run into a Cursed Scroll or two during their playthrough. In order to have the best chances of getting gold-tier equipment, you would need to find at least 7 Cursed Scrolls and then have them all work without fail while applying at least decent upgrades. If even one fails or applies an upgrade that is sub-par, then the weapon itself becomes a “failed” weapon, and you may as well just sell it for some money. The chances of it working are unbelievably slim, but unfortunately that’s the only way to get the best weapons.
I know what you’re thinking already “But what’s wrong with that? Shouldn’t it be hard to get high-tier equipment?”. To an extent, you’re correct. It should be difficult to get high-tier equipment. But there’s a difference between it being difficult because the actual steps are difficult, and it being difficult because you’re relying on random chance. This is where my main issue lies with the current meta, because the current meta is spamming Cursed Scrolls on an equipment piece until all of the Scrolls work. This is not fun. It’s not challenging in any way. It’s just time consuming and entirely based on luck. That’s the issue. If you are not willing to spend weeks if not months farming Vesteria in order to finally get lucky, then you’re not going to succeed in PvP, or even in higher level areas (I can’t find the clip right now, but I specifically remember berezaa saying on stream that in order to succeed in future higher level areas you’d need extremely good equipment).
This is where the controversy comes in. Some people think that you should need to grind for weeks and months to get the best weapons since it represents your dedication to the game. Others (including myself) think that it should be more skill-based. I’ll touch on this a bit later. Back to the point though, for those who believe that a long luck-based grind is fair to achieve these weapons, allow me to ask you a simple question. Do you think that a full wipe, or a wipe to enchantments is justified? This is a rhetorical question of course, because by saying that the long grind in Vesteria is fair since you get a weapon you deserve, then you surely must be against a wipe. After all, it punishes players who spent the most amount of time grinding the most, does it not? I know that a lot of people who think that the current meta of grinding for Cursed Scrolls and then rolling the dice is fine are also the same people who are for a wipe to enchantments. In my opinion, these two opinions contradict each other. You must pick one and as a result of that you must logically follow the other. Either you believe that a wipe is good, which means that you believe that the current Scroll system doesn’t work well, or you believe that a wipe is not good, which means that you believe that the current Scroll system does work well.
Finally, let me address the nail in the coffin. The thing that finally pushed me to make this post. This:
In one proposed idea, the whole “Scrolls are unfair because they’re required to succeed in PvP and possibly future areas but are completely luck based or require absurd amounts of time to get” has just been solidified. Perks will force players to not only grind to get Cursed Scrolls to work, they’ll also force players to grind to get the best Perks. Furthermore, with Curses, depending on if they actually affect the weapon’s stats, it might require even more luck to avoid getting a bad Curse while also trying to get all your Cursed Scrolls to work. Essentially, all the issues in my previous paragraph would be increased tenfold by this addition.
Now that I’ve explained my point more in-depth, allow me to pre-reply to some replies you may have been thinking about.
"What about Holy and Reset Scrolls?"
I’m personally in favour of them. They certainly make it so that you don’t have to grind as long for the equipment you need, but I’d prefer if they were a guaranteed drop from an extremely difficult boss and extremely rare drops from easier bosses. I’ll go over that in a little bit.
What about new Scrolls coming out?
We most likely wont see these new Scrolls for a while, and when they do come out they’ll either be weaker than Cursed Scrolls and will hardly be used (with one exception which I’ll touch on in a second) or they’ll be stronger than Cursed Scrolls and will simply replace Cursed Scrolls as the Scroll to grind.
Of course, there is one way that this could be avoided. If the new Scroll is less powerful than a Cursed Scroll, but more powerful than a Great Scroll, but also couldn’t destroy your equipment piece, then it would function as a less-risky competitor to the Cursed Scroll, and would actually be viable.
If you’re so concerned about Scrolls not working, just use less risky scrolls!
That’s not really an option, considering that having well Scrolled equipment is pretty much the only way you’ll succeed in PvP, or higher level areas, or be invited to decent SQR parties.
I know quite a few people were waiting for this, so I’d now like to bring up the Orb. For those who are unaware, the Orb was another way to upgrade equipment. The upgrades costed Mushcoins, and were typically pretty sub-par, unless you used all your upgrade slots on an equipment piece with the Orb, in which case the final upgrade would be far more powerful than the upgrades before it. Furthermore, some equipment gained bonuses from the Orb that other Scrolls only had a small chance to apply.
Essentially, the Orb functioned as a safer way to get somewhat decent equipment without having to take massive risks. However; the Orb was removed since it was apparently “a bad idea”. I don’t think any proper reason was given as to why the Orb was actually removed.
If you have any other arguments, please post them. I’d be really interested in hearing what people have to say.
Now, let’s move on to one final section. My suggestion for how I would change it up. To be honest, I’ve proposed ideas about making how Scrolls themselves work more skill based, but I think that the best (and probably easiest) way to go about it would be to make it easier to actually obtain the rare scrolls that people use. So here’s what I’ve come up with:
Make a solo dungeon that exclusively drops rare Scrolls, but is extremely difficult to complete. It would require the user to be able to display extreme competence with Vesteria’s mechanics (such as 1 stud jumps that require precise timing, extremely difficult enemies throughout and a boss that tests both movement and accuracy), and would only be able to be faced once a day. Upon death, it would drop 1-3 random Scrolls, being either Ancient, Cursed, Holy or Reset, with Ancients and Curseds being far more common than Holy or Reset.
Is it a perfect idea that would solve everything? No, far from it. There is no perfect solution, but we can certainly make things better.
If there’s one opinion of mine that you take away from this post, it should be the following (this also will function as a TL;DR): Vesteria’s current meta of constantly grinding for Scrolls and using them until they finally work isn’t fun and doesn’t require any real skill, just a massive time investment. I would like to see the Scroll system either be re-worked to make Scrolls themselves more skill-based, or have a reliable but extremely difficult way to get rare Scrolls be added.
Anyways, that’s all I wanted to get off my chest. I admit that it’s more of a rant than a request, but sometimes that’s just how it goes. As I stated at the beginning, I know people are going to heavily disagree with my views in this post, and that’s perfectly fair. I understand their point of view, but I just personally have a different opinion. That’s about it.